croowe, That's the last time I use pledge - Iris is an application that makes textures similar to the one I made in photoshop - not as detailed but tileable. I think there's a link to it on one of the recent threads in this forum. If you can't find it by tommorrow let me know and I'll try to find the link to it. The reason I asked was that I was looking at a short tutorial where one of the pictures looked black to me. When I printed out the picture it looked normal. I then noticed seeing the same thing in other photoshop tutorials so I thought I'd ask. - TJ