The Yahoo group (RayDream) has the patches in the files section - including one that has Poser 4 as a module in RDS. It was written for Poser 3 in RDS 5.0, but it works for Poser 4 in RDS 5.5 - at least as far as posing goes. I am not sure about morphs or JCM. RDS 5.0 needed a patch to handle OBJ correctly, RDS 5.5 incorporated the patch and better rendering, but not much else. The polygon modeler seems to be more or less the same in CS2 and RDS 5.5 - if anything, RDS 5.5 does a little more. RDS has a CAD-like interface - which I like better. Zoom is a heck of a lot easier in RDS, but C2 has more range. If you are going to do more than just polygon model, CS2 is the better choice by far. You guys are really kind to MC, the whole deal with them smelled like a Ponzie scheme for the unfortunate stock holders and the guys whole sold parts of their programs to MC to get in under the MC umbrella. Imagine a program that had RDS - Painter (+P3Dthat worked) - Bryce - Poser all as modules within it. That is what MC pissed away.