Sorry for late reply everyone, Thanks Inkwolf, Art, Always friends,and thanks for the suggestions. The wagon model is un altered as far as geometry ,I cant remember where I got it ,I'm terrible about giving credit,and I shall try to give the credits when It finally goes to the gallery as completed. The stars are that "Accurate Starfield".obp that I rave about.perhaps I could tone em down a bit or rotate the object to reveal a less dense part of the sky. funny thing Art, the small evergreen trees are the meshes and the larger trees are the 2d pic.s.Thanks for your suggestions . (OT) I'll try to get those movies from you next week. I have a job scheduled up in your neck of the woods. Boney, I think I agree with you about the plant in the foreground,once I populate the scene more I'm sure it will be in the way anyway. I suppose I could roughen up the plain a bit with a terrain, but my problem with the lake is more texture related. I don't think I ever did a lake at night and it's a bit tricky to get the reflection to come through without it looking washed out. hmmm, a transparent canvas for the wagon although I never actually rode in a wagon of this type.I'm sure they were quite heavy for protection from the elements. and increasing the transparency might look a little unconvincing but I thought about perhaps a silhouette(SP) of a figure on the canvas to suggest someone in the wagon. thanks for the suggestions guys Hawkfyr

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