Yes, I love Poser 5. You can look in my gallery if you want, I loaded up Poser 5 as a Christmas present to myself-- I'd prebought it, but wasnt' gonna use it till it behaved. I havent' used anything else since. It's slow, but the renders are so good. The latest patch worked for me and, I'll admit there are areas I havent'used in P5-- haven't tried dynamic clothing yet. I'm waiting for hmann'slong dresses plus tutorial. But I use Vicki3 all the time in it, Vicki 2 and Mike are a lot faster to render, so that's a treat, background images come out better, shadows are actually usable now. I use other people's dynamic hair-- chiefly Rdna and I love it. I'm never gonna animate so you have to figure that in. But, I would never go back to the library chaos of Poser 4 and ProPack-- both of which were buggier for me, with my imited usage, than P5. Emily