Hmmmm, Interesting. You can take a mesh into z-brush that exists in poser, and use the tools for morph targets, and all is well. Making a model may push the limits of the computer. There is a horrible registration issue. Hmmm. Well I suppose you can't have everything. I went by those galleries of Zrincx and RnRWoman, and it looks like those artists use them for morph targets, rather than all out content creation. Is that right? Thanks caravaggio