I feel the same way about the TrueSpace interface, bone. Not to mention Max still has buttons that I haven't figured out what the heck they're for yet. I gave up on Rhino's interface back when it was in beta (which was a LONG time ago in cyber-time). btw, do they have a win95 version of Strata? All I could find is win98 and you couldn't pay me to install another windows OS on my system. Bad enough I had to break down and get 95 shudder Kate