its more easy for real warezers, but they lose the bragging rights value, kawecki. real warezers aren't looking for bragging rights on renderosity, they just want to redistribute software that they couldn't otherwise afford easily. I can live with that ethic, though it may hurt me. people that trade at kazaa know they are trading warez and keep themselves undercover. They aren't claiming they created the warez, they are just trading them. the situation is very different here. here people want to brag they created something cool, its nothing more or less than playing popularity games. some people here are truly talented and generous and make all kinds of freebies, and these people are well respected and liked here, for good reason. some people are envious of that kind of reputation and take the shortcut, by taking a mesh/texture already made, and manipulating it so they can claim they created it, and be the grand poobah without really working at it. you're very right in that its not warezing like that done on kazaa. I have more respect for the real pirates on kazaa, ftp sites and bbs's... they are working within their conscience... I understand their reasoning though we may not all agree with it. but freestuff social climbers... they don't get the same level of respect from me as the hackers do. c'est la vie. deal with it.