ok, Bryster... I had to go back and check that first thread to make sure I wasn't using an idea someone else came up with... other than that bum-and-titty grader thing. I think I'm clean :) I really liked the way the image is framed on either side... but admittedly, you can't really see the altar well the way it is. I'll try messing around with it some more and seeing what I come up with. Thanks for the suggestions