Thanks les, Yes, I did rename both first and second, but I think you're right about the typo. I just re-did it and it works. Go figure. I thought it was weird that such a simple thing was giving me problems... MATs or SETs I swiped the name 'SETs' from dodger and am using it in the vain hope that it might become a standard for pose files which alter position, scale, rotation, etc, as opposed to MATerial files or Poses Of course, people keep calling them MATs anyway.... mac