Okay, well that explains it then. Thanks everyone. I just started using this program, I haven't even really posed Vicki 2 yet LOL But, I wanted to work with a really realistic figure and I read that Vicki 3 was the best. I thought I got Vicki 3.0 but I guess it wasn't :-( Anyway I appreciate your help very much, everyone's help. Thank you. I am sure you will see my screams for help a lot in the near future LOL Thanks again Rob