Dave - and all - this kind of thread is doing more for your country and for Poser art than ten US admin press conference, or two tonnes of NVIAT's. Those who think that the US is the land of flag-waving imperialists with no social conscience and Barbie doll tastes in art and expression oughta read this kind of thread more often. Whenever I hear anyone bad-mouthing american conscience or mentality, I refer to my experience of people whose opinions I read in threads like this one - "they've got a lot of thinking, feeling, expressive people over there, you know". If we can't get our act together, it will be no fault of yours, IMHO!!! Just a quick 0.2 Euro's worth from my side of the Atlantic ;o) And on the subject of clothing : post some pics, pleeeeze, modelers think in pictures, not words.