Wolf: I was not attacking your ideal male, I was strictly speaking of realism. IMO, it's much easier to make the v3 male look like a "normal" male, not the "ideal" male. Also, it's easier to make him (her?) look like different people. Like I said, to me Mike always looks like Mike. BTW, I don't often use the "supermodel-ultra-beautiful- giant-breasted-vicky look either. I like "normalcy" and variety in characters. Just like the real world I think.