Back on topic... If you are gonna render in Poser, I say get Poser 5. The Material room alone is worth the upgrade. I think it works fine (after the patches) for most Minus a few very annoying bugs and broken features (koff hair collision...koff). If you are unlucky though it might end up being a doorstop... as the (Extremely vocal :D ) Minority will tell you... in every single thread with "P5" in it :p If ya got another app to render in. I think propack would be a better solution as it has several plugins for Max, Lightwave etc...) As it is I'm starting to wish I'd gone that route (Pro pack) I like Poser 5, but since I'm probably gonna end up doing all my rendering in Truespace, I'm not really going to be using any of the P5 exclusive features except perhaps a bit of Dynamic cloth.