Well, since it is apparent that the opinions of many of those who have tried to use Poser 5 are not welcomed here since we may disagree with the opinions and voices of the self-proclaimed and self-supposed "majority," I will offer my opinion to you privately if you wish to IM me. Afterall, God forbid if someone should be charged with trolling for offering an honest opinion after four months of testing and trying to get a program to work as advertised before deep-sixing the bugger. ;-) Take care, be well, keep flying. casamerica SUBTLE HINT*** SUBTLE HINTSUBTLE HINT<><><><> (A proud member of the "Extremely Vocal Minority" now using Poser 4 with Pro Pack, Vue d'Esprit, TrueSpace, Rhino, Cinema 4d and soon Lightwave exclusively for computer graphics.) SUBTLE HINTSUBTLE HINT***SUBTLE HINT<><><><>