Thanks Diane, I was Sad to see them go as well,but this will give them the time for creating more wonderful stuff. Thanks Aradtech, and Boney, thank you for the compliment, I read the manual alot ,play around with easter eggs and different techniques, and read losts of tutorials . The newsgroups are a good place to pick up tricks too. so I know a bit about the features and inner workings of Bryce,(but not many other apps,Poser and Photoshop mostly) But I rely on people like you and the others here to help me utilize that knowledge and try to apply it in my Art. I've learned about artistic techniques,lighting and object placement, stuff like that from all of you here. after all .. what good is knowing the interface and the programs capabilities ,if you dont know how to apply it? I thank all of you for that. Hawkfyr

“The fact that no one understands you…Doesn’t make you an artist.”