I only took a jab at the "vocal minority" because you guys just pounce on any discussion of P5 with comments about it being a weapon of mass destruction etc... It just gets a bit old to those with reletively few probs... not to mention it's a rather counterproductive way of trying to effect change. :p<<< The only time I "pounce" is when someone asks opinions as to whether they should buy. Then you can bet your g*****n house that I will try to save another poor sucker from paying out good money on a program and to a company that does not deserve their patronage. Even at $199 Poser 5 is not worth it IN MY OPINION. And I will give that opinion when someone asks members of the community whether Poser 5 should be bought. Now, once the fabled SR3 is released I will most likely keep my opinion to myself since I have no intention of placing it, Poser 5 or anything new from Curious Labs on my computer ever again. Poser 4 and Pro Pack were the last items I will ever purchase from Curious Labs. >>>If I was in your boat I'd be mightilly pissed... <<< Naw, I'm past that. After we fought with the sucker from September of 2002 through January of 2003 and then deep-sixed it, Poser faded into a shadowy history. The only time I get really pissed now is when we're told that our complaints are old and tiresome and we should quietly fade away so Curious Labs can land another sucker for several hundred dollars on a program that still does not function any better than a poor alpha. Then, yea, I get really pissed. Take care, be well, keep flying. casamerica