ACK!!!! goddamnit!! throws in the towel beaten... and by a girl no less UGH!!!! well laurie, unless someone else posts a mightier callous than thine, youve won the trophy in the first annual renderosity mouse callous awards :) email me at caerlon@hotmail.com with where you want the cd mailed to :) bet you'd never thought anything good would come out of that thing, huh? youll never look at it the same way again :) snicker