"Lazy? JHFC! Are we still hearing that! Is that the best, the very best that can be thrown at the EVM? Let me see, Ive learned Bryce, Ive learned Vue, Ive learned Rhino, Ive learned TrueSpace," Damn it that IS NOT what I said. -_- I did in no way imply that the people like you who have REAL SERIOUS PROBLEMS with P5 are like that. Just that a high volume of the early bitching about P5 was people like that. Even now it seems many people who have P5 (and have no problems with it) Use P4 because they aren't comfortible with learning the material room, or the cloth room etc... Not because of any Real bugs. (AND I REPEAT I BELIEVE YOU AND THE OTHERS WHO ARE AFLICTED HAVE REAL AWFUL STARSHIP TROOPERS SIZED BUGS.) No Cut down on the coffee... and keep your boogers to your self.