"Don't get me wrong, the "advances" of P5 are very nice, The material room is great, as is the cloth room. But I'm a "point 'n click" kind of guy. My attempts to get stuff working have frustrated me enough that I had to switch off the computer and walk away." See Casamerica, This is what I was talking about in that previous thread. :p Poser 5 is a crap shoot. If you are lucky and it works for you (like it has for me, with a 1.9 ghz P4 and 256 megs of ram. Thenb it's a big step up from P4. If however you have another app to render in, I say get propack.