The really strange thing about the light settings is that the candles each have a radial light with a 25 unit strength, while the radial lights in the fires are set to 250 units. I know what you mean about the strength of the shadows Alan but if I remove the candle from the table then that side of the room becomes too dark and you can't even see the detail on the helmet. I may play about with it somemore but if anyone has any concrete ideas on how to solve this lighting problem I would love to hear them. Oh and there is also a negative light behind the camera to the left where I was trying to darken it down some. Catlin