Crescent...thank you. i've had lightwave for about 10 days. i really would love to make poser/poseable figures in lightwave. so, like when i was learning...ha...hah...hah!!!! torturing myself with 3dsmax, my coaster disk....i was scared to ask a question in the forum. soooo, let's see...i got home at about 5. i tried to get the manual to sink in for a couple hours....nothing nada, zip....hard, after a full day to remember exactly what alt clicking your right mouse, as opposed to left clicking your mouse....let alone.....adding the shift key to the equation does. i'd love to feel comfortable asking a question, over there...but, until i learn more, i will shut up. and, if i stay quiet, i will just stick with rhino.