If people think Micheal is too perfect they could try working with Don that came with Poser 5, he's far less perfect. My gripe has always been that there aren't enough pictures with heavy people in them. Micheal has convincing "fat" morphs. I think the average american male has a bit more pounch to him than is usually portrayed in the art work I see. The native poser people don't morph fat well. In fantasy art I think we're all striving towards more ideal forms, I can't fault Micheal for living up to our ideals. Frankly I don't like the V3 male much, but that is my taste, those of you who are getting a lot of mileage out of him more power to you.