:) I blame that on being up too early in the morning and lack of coffee on my part, LOL. Sorry SnowSultan :) Your Illustrender lights were what got me started re-thinking how lights should be approched in Poser. The new lights are posted now :) They are on the last page of lights. Our sort on the file system is rather quirky, LOL Sometimes new stuff shows up at the end, sometimes in the front.. LOL