nods Yeppers. I think I'll still offer the original 3 at the top as a light, midtone, dark... but only for that particular texture. The darker textures will be dumped and new ones made. I have Travelers sets and I adore them ( that is one talented individual) Yet I dont want to rely on a pat file/mat pose to deepen a texture, as there are people who do not render in poser and wouldnt have that option available to them. I thin I would personally find that frustrating, so I'm trying to avoid doing it to someone else. Besides, if -you- have Travelers sets, and -I- have them, and a few others had mentioned them as well... Then I'd be willing to bet that those that do have them will use them on the textures to help achieve the look they are going for. No?