Hi folks It seems that I've open the proverbial can of worms. My problem, and perhaps I could have phrased the question a little less flippantly, was and is "what characteristics make a face appear to be feminine as opposed to masculine." I actually have my own Ideas of beauty i.e.I dislike a woman who smokes for instance I find that a complete turnoff but hey thats me..What I'm saying is she might be regarded by everyone else as the epitome of Aphrodite but for me at least she looses all/most of her attractivnes as soon as she lights up. This is different to the physical aspects of a Female/Male face. The comment in the title was a bad attempt to discourage comments about a persons mind/attitude or more bodily atributes. Attached is one version of Selina (V3)she still to me does not look quite right I think the mouth (I havn't tried the mask idea yet) But all in all I like the discussion Dave