Oh my goodness .. thank you for responding. It is true, there are lots of different kinds. There are plastic ones, wood ones, ones shaped like Dizzie's picture and others with little knobs on the end that i can remember makeing into dolls as a kid. The one i have been searching for is like the ones in Dizzie's picture. It would need to open and close .. and if it is possible, and not too much to ask .. could the circle where normally the clothes line would go, be a bit close to the end of the clothes pin? kind of like regular pinch clothes pins. i hope i am not being too picky ... if the circle is not close to the end .. then it will not work well for what i had in mind. Thank you, ockham for the files .. i will try them right away. troubleTO