Thanks Anton. I only use PSP and Painter Classic because I've never been comfortable with Painter 3D--mostly because I've never taken the time to use it since the other 2 worked pretty well for me. I AM good with the selection tool ( I use teeny tiny little blocks that have to be entered, selected or moved in my weaving programs so I've gotten really good with a mouse and now since I have a Wacom Intuos, its pretty much a breeze), so maybe I can use this program as an even better tool. I've saved this for a 'tutorial'. DB