Hi BSong, LOL!...no, nothing secret and there are quite a number of people using it, but on SGI machine years ago. It just getting on over to the PC but at the moment NT or Win2K only. Xfrog3 is a sorta "Plant Studio" 3D program and currently still in Alpha testing. You can view their stuff and download the alpha demo version 8 at http://www.greenwork.com It suppose to run on Win98 but have problem with OpenGL display coding (I am not familiar with this kind of 'techkieeee' stuff). Version 9 should be out any time soon. 4 further interest in plant software, go to http://vterrain.org/Plants/plantsw.html and read what's more around...if you are interested in creating those 'vegetables' :) I am still waiting to see a nice hibiscus. Seen one created by someone using Rhino though....really beautiful! As for the model, they are created by some very professional body and belongs to Greenworks under copyright. I am under restriction not to distribute them freely in obj and xfr format, however, I do have a few done in Vob format which I can share at the Vue Free Stuff here. As I do not have a web site to link to VFS for download, is there any 'donor' of space to help out here so that I can upload it up. The size of the vob is as large as 14 Meg :) Let me know. Bill Tesign