Hell, I have no complaints about DAZ freebies - I think they're marvellous, and very varied. Excellent stuff almost all the time. Not necessarily always my taste of course, but what does that have to do with it - I can't expect to impose my personal taste on everyone else, the idea is preposterous. I think I have nearly every single one since they started this in the Z days - except a few I missed in '90 when I had an off-Poser period. Thanks DAZ! :] Fish