I guess my point is, you could make some of this stuff just by looking at a picture, (if you had the talent :) It is ultra low-res, so to compare a tiny gif/jpeg with a poser render, with or without transparencies, then point the finger is, I think, a bit much... As for not being able to seperate the hair and head, my point is that it'd pointless to do so, you can only use one head and one body per sim, the hair isn't interchangable, and I doubt you'd be able to reconstruct the original hair from that seperated hair model. They have a lot of heads, I've got most of them, some look like poser hair, yes. just the same as they look like shrunen fashion photographs. They have hair in there that pre-dates some poser freebies, but you done hear them claiming somebody stole thier meshes... Looking like somebdody else's work isn't a crime. Lets face it, Poser is a knock of of nature's handy work :) But if Anton would like to do the usual forensics on what, (in the right light, with a following wind) could be though of as bombshel hair, then I guess we'll know for sure. Personally I doubt it. later jb