Yeah I know about human nature. It sucks that people have had problems. We (CL) were really bummed that it went bad for so many people. It ain't just CL. I just "upgraded" a modeler that I own. rolling eyes while making quotes with fingers First time launching it crashed. Second time launching it crashed. Third time launching I couldn't use any tools. It was frozen. Fourth time launching I had no interface. Fifth time launching It came up, almost opened a model then crashed. Sixth time launching I got the model to open whew. Rotated the model in view and it crashed. Back in box and put on the shelf this one goes. I have never ever had that kind of problem with Poser. Believe me, if some of the people out there are having these kinds of problems with Poser... I feel there pain. I really like the images you have in your gallery. Nice stuff. It's nice to see the subjects you are touching on. Keep up the great work. Cheers, Joe