Thanks Joe :) I've never been a big fan of "Vicky in the Temple" and have avoided those types of renders. Still have a lot to learn :) I still use P5 (I never had P4). I know that you guys must feel worse about this than anyone. The bugs in P5 are not as bad as what you describe..mostly just annoying little "glitches" that crop up every now and then, along with the memory useage problems, etc. that I'm sure you've heard about a hundred times. I would probably be willing to put up with most of them if I could interface P5 with Vue d'Esprit:) Hopefully the future will bring better fortunes for CL and P5. Thanks for checking out my work and for the compliments. Take care :)