"You know, if it wasn't for some of the tubes that are passed around, I wouldn't know who alot of these artists even were! And it is because of the tubes that I go searching these same artists out on the net, to BUY their art or prints ect.. You would think that most starving artists would LOVE that sort of exposure no?" Yes, who among us would not love having our work taken without our permission and sold to other people. I can't imagine who would not jump with joy at that idea, especially when our names are not in evidence and and their's are-- what wonderful publicity!! The only reason these groups keep spouting that bs is they are guilty, feel guilty, and need to suppress that feeling so -- it's our fault for not feeling grateful to them. Emily sarcasm for free