Well whatever it was derjimi, it worked! :) Ha! Yes...the .3ds format does work well with both Vue and Bryce. I can just remember scouring the sites in search of things that weren't designed for "poser only". I spent a lot of time pestering a lot of artists here to see if their stuff could be used without Poser. Maniak, Traveler, caleb68, harthor21, kromekat, liteluvr, the Castle Dev Team, Debbie and Marforno and of course Sam's 3d were some of the first vendors I purchased from because their stuff worked without Poser. I really appreciated the time these folks and others took to answer my inquiries. I think that experience is what sold me on the Renderosity Community :)