Kiera, i tried that too! But, unfortunately Daz didn't take that possibility into account. So there's not enough mesh there to make a decent Morph in that area. Unless i'm doing it wrong. ShadowDragon, I did not sense arrogance from you. Believe me, i've seen it in these forums. To properly achieve the reults we are looking for, we need xtra mesh to simulate it(Not counting Postwork). Of course, being able to morph the lower lid would be ideal, cause then the Fornix would follow the eye shape for sure! I'll look at it again in Max & get back to you on that possibility... Yes! This, the sharing of ideas is why i joined this community in the first place! No egos, just a genuine passion to learn & give back! TTYS Marco