Hi, Kix, (Guess I can't post the .car so I'll email it). However, it is simple for me to create this from scratch. Given how reproducible it is for me and the fact that no one else sees this, it must be something to do with a bad plugin or a corruption in my files rather than a carrara bug. I'm using digitalcarver's anything grows, anything grooves, starbright, zenstar and fishnet. Maybe it is just a fat-finger problem. If not I'll try dropping some plug-ins to see if that fixes it or a complete re-install (ugh). Thanks, Marc