heya mark! funny you should ask. :) in fact, if you do a search for 'vue vs bryce,' you'll find a thread with the exact same subject and some info on that. (or was it bryce vs vue?) i dont have bryce 4, so i cant really compare. you can always check out the demo for yourself, at www.e-onsoftware.com does anybody know if that web site that had a bryce/vue side-by-side comparison ever updated it's information for vue 3 and bryce 4?