Its the old case of you can't please all the people all the time but you can.....well you know the rest ;o)...now while i'm a member of the PC i can't recall exactly what went up when, but if the last 2 items in the last two weeks are the dress and cloak i'd say Anton and gang are doing damn well to have made those in two weeks (unless they have a secret app that does all for you LOL)...the fact is some things take longer than others, be it coz they are more complex or need more research, and then there is time for texturing after it is modeled......Steve