Thanks for the warm welcome. In the distant past, I belonged to the Metacreations primary List which dealt mostly with Bryce. I guess this is long gone, but it was really good for the tips and to see how far the program could be pushed. In particular, Peter Sharp's tutorials were really helpful (still up at http://www.petersharpe.com/Tutorials.htm). Thanks again, maybe in a few days, I can get some work up for a critique:) manowar