Point taken, Velvet. At least you will know something about what you are presenting. There is no indication of this in your first post. The juxaposition of your prop requests formed an image of the SOS that I grew up with. A desert is defined by average annual rainfall. If the Great Plains of North America do not precisely meet that definition - they come pretty close. It was also called the Great American Desert. Until the introduction of the horse from the Spaniards, no one went out there very far. I am aware of some of the history the Southeastern tribes, including what Andrew Jackson & Co. did for them and the extrordinary efforts they made to avoid their fate. Siegbert - if saying, that it is time to let up, is an arrogant remark: guilty - I am not an outsider in this issue.