Bryce users (I've been one since V2) we've been shunted around from pillar to post (vendor-to-vendor) so often we feel like a tennis ball but hoo-boy, you should have seen the lists (they didn't just sizzle, they exploded) when Version 3 came out (or was it 4? I think it was 4) and it was really flawed, and then the reactions were even more intense when MetaCreations dumped the product and all the employees to go on to further glory :) Web sites were 'draped in black', a hundred unflattering versions of the name "MetaCreations" were bandied about - it was not pretty. Getting riled up at Adobe would be like splashing water on the Rock of Gibraltar me thinks -Nancy.