Jagger....I think you and i have much in common..I would love to share stories with you, the history of Indians has been a passion of mine ( not because I happen to be one...LOL) and you seem very versed in the subject..my apologies for being brusk with you...you are right about the plains AND the canoe..hehe..pleasant rendering my friend and hope to see more of your work in the future. Thanks Nance...sometimes ya got it..some times ya dont...lolI'm gonna go check out a buffalo and see what changes I acn make to get the critter to fit what i need him for:) VR