"Like I said I have the manual, but this approach to learning is much much more straight forward." ROFL!! and here I got caught chiding people who say RTFM so much they never answer a question over in the LW forum. Odie, it may be easier for you but it's considered rude not to at lease SKIM the chapter in question before going into a forum. That's a sure way to get fried. And on some forums they sniff that as not HAVING a manual which means warez which really get people hot. Hopefully 'nuff said.