Forums are great because they are effective: 1.) p2p. 2.) A little at a time. 3.) For specific examples. This is really simple stuff we talking here! You don't expect someone working on a 2hr. Hollywood Feature to answer you r first few posts! This is for people roughly at my experience level, that can give a simple straight forward response! Your flaming my learnard intentions was pretty lame! It was stupid of you to ignore that I mentioned having the manual for a reason, then to drag warez in here was even dummer! Your tough luck in the Lightwave Forum is your own problem, I don't want to hear about it! Maybe for it you should take the advice of those who say "If you havn't got anything good to say don't say anything at all!"