I've not gotten to use PSP8 yet, but I'm definately looking forward to it :) That mesh warp does look really cool ;) I agree for private use, NBD, postwork would cover it without a problem. My other issue was the weird thing that I got when I rendered with the Maid Marion texture, (post #7) If anyone else gets that I would really appreciate knowing about it, because to me that is still an issue also. Because of the gorgeous trim work on it, postworking that is going to be a real PITA. But if it's Poser being stupid for some reason, I'll have to figure out a work around for that also. Pendy