Thanks, Josh, for the input. Yeah, there's a lot that's frustrating about Fractint, esp. for a non-math-nerd like me. But after struggling with it, I used to be able to create some fantastic stuff. Just wanted to get into it again. Years ago, when I was Fractinting, I also tried every other fractal program I could find, but thought they all stunk. But you're right, I should try some of the new stuff, and thanks for the addresses to find them!