To answer sandoppe: $ ? sandoppe, don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with your logic at all, except perhaps... the logic of raising this with the very same vendor who shipped Poser version 5.0 in the first place! ;-) And before someone jumps down my broadband connection, I know this is reportedly a different crew at CL, and these fixes may very well be very well tested, and tested in private at CL's expense as they should be. But in terms of what the fixes are (e.g. includes enhancements to the detriment of fundemental bug fixes), it sure looks like dvu all over again. The more things change, the more they stay the same.