Katherine, Thanks for "stepping in", and I agree that too much "speculation" has been generated "before SR3 has a chance to be released." But please take that as a sign of our desire for the product that we were PROMISED in Poser 5. And our frustration at the time it seems to be taking to get anywhere close. "(as Casamerica notes of 8 months from the original release though a couple months after SR2.1)" Actually, it will be exactly 5 months - not a couple - since SR-2.1 (12/06/02) by the time that SR3 is available. So given a couple of more releases on similar time scales, we'd be speculating early 2005 for completion of bug fixes? That's too far away to be taken seriously as Casamerica noted. We anticipated that SR3 would be the definitive release, so many of us were - basically - surprised that your list of fixes was so short, and indeed covered predominately specialised items in Poser, not the mainstream heavily used items used by all: file handling, posing, rendering speed, etc. (with the noted exceptions of file loading peformance enhancements, and the fix to update Material file locations). Drawing conclusions on how well the listed fixes work is total speculation, as you rightly say. But the majority of the responses to your earlier thread were related to items NOT listed in your posting. We are rightly, IMHO, concerned that unlisted fixes will not be fixed - at least in SR3. Isn't that the only reasonable conclusion for us to draw in the absence of other information? The only other possibility is that CuriousLabs has included a significant number of these fixes to pre-Poser 5 and Poser 5 problems, but has chosen not to list them because .... That one is REALLY hard to get behind, don't you see? If, OTOH, the "couple of items not listed" are substantial, like memory management, recompilation with current Windows File Dialogs, restored accuracy in parameter dials, etc., and are not being listed in case they are not ready in time for SR3 release; then PLEASE hold up the release until they are ready to go, so that they do get in this release. (And if that's not the case, does it really make any difference if we rant now, or when SR3 is released? ;-) To be really clear where I'm coming from, I have P4, I bought P5 because I had a choice between P5 and P4ProPack. I didn't need the interfaces to LW, etc., but wanted the multi-pane view, python, setup room, etc. Poser 5 was supposed to also have the Poser 4 bugs addressed, the balance of the ProPack features, and was the later product so it seemed the better buy. Now I would just like to be able to use it at P4/ProPack level on the same 1GHz/1GB system, to do what I can currently do in Poser 4, and without a majority of the bugs that plague 4-year-old Poser 4. Is that unreasonable? If so why? Is it also not unreasonable for me to expect that after 8 months? Please note that my stated requirements do NOT include a single Poser 5 specific feature! I cannot think that I have placed the bar unreasonably high. But it sure looks from here that that is still going to be too high for Poser 5 SR3.