Ok it's starting to make since to me now. By changing the rotation order so the twist is on the Y axes and setting the parameter as you described it works. Now I see why the legs don't respond like they should. I modeled the legs already arched, so the twist is not running at the same angle as the legs. So is there a way to bank or rotate the twist so it runs liner ( same direction ) with the angle of the legs. I've looked in the manual and tried the direction manipulation tool, but it seems to have no effect on the twist ( only the element ) Or should I go back to the modeling program and make the legs perpendicular to the body? Thanks for the help so far, you've saved me from countless hours of trial & error

Stephen Ray