jerr3d, if I had the patience and skill to make a jeans texture like that I could use it exactly the same way and you wouldn't know the difference except in close-up. The trick to avoid the Poser 3 painted-on look is to use a bump map so that the fabric seems to stand out. In any case, those shorts would not really look realistic unless you actually modelled the loops, buttons, etc. One of the things I admire about Batlab-san is his ability to model tight clothes that nevertheless have just a few little folds in the right places to indicate that cloth is involved and not sprayed-on rubber.